Jason Rolleston, General Manager, Enterprise Security Group at Broadcom, and Rob Sadowski, Director of Product Marketing within Google's Security and Trust Organization, delve into how these industry giants integrate cutting-edge solutions to meet modern security challenges.
The video features theCUBE hosts, including John Furrier, co-founder and co-CEO of SiliconANGLE Media, Inc., who guides the conversation with Rolleston and Sadowski. Their discussion highlights a myriad of pressing security themes, from artificial intelligence (AI) integration to network security advancements. Esteemed by their industry peers, both guests offer thorough insights into how companies such as Broadcom and Google Cloud leverage their infrastructure and innovation to enhance security measures across software and service platforms.
The conversation spans various critical topics, including the innovative Google Cloud WAN service and the synergistic partnership with Broadcom, enhancing enterprise cybersecurity. Key takeaways from the dialogue include the growing importance of scalable security solutions and the need for robust trust and collaboration among partners, as emphasized by both guests. This comprehensive exchange leaves viewers with valuable insights into how these organizations address security threats and opportunities in today's digital world.
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Jason Rolleston, Broadcom & Robert Sadowski, Google Cloud
In this insightful discussion at RSAC 2025, key leaders from Broadcom and Google Cloud offer their perspectives on the evolving landscape of enterprise security. Jason Rolleston, general manager of the enterprise security group at Broadcom, and Rob Sadowski, director of product marketing within Google's security and trust organization, delve into how these industry giants integrate cutting-edge solutions to meet modern security challenges.
The video features theCUBE hosts, including John Furrier, co-founder and co-CEO of SiliconANGLE Media, Inc., who guides the conversation with Rolleston and Sadowski. Their discussion highlights a myriad of pressing security themes, from artificial intelligence (AI) integration to network security advancements. Esteemed by their industry peers, both guests offer thorough insights into how companies such as Broadcom and Google Cloud leverage their infrastructure and innovation to enhance security measures across software and service platforms.
The conversation spans various critical topics, including the innovative Google Cloud WAN service and the synergistic partnership with Broadcom, enhancing enterprise cybersecurity. Key takeaways from the dialogue include the growing importance of scalable security solutions and the need for robust trust and collaboration among partners, as emphasized by both guests. This comprehensive exchange leaves viewers with valuable insights into how these organizations address security threats and opportunities in today's digital world.
Jason Rolleston, general manager of the Enterprise Security Group at Broadcom, and Robert Sadowski, director of product marketing, security and trust at Google Cloud, join theCUBE’s John Furrier at the RSAC 2025 Conference. The conversation explores how their organizations are working together to meet rising cybersecurity demands across infrastructure and cloud environments.
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>> Welcome back everyone to theCUBE's live coverage here in San Francisco. I'm John Furrier, host of theCUBE for RSAC 2025, 3rd day of 4 days of wall-to-wall coverage. The top stories is obviously security, the AI, the defense, social engineering, just the user, the apps, the models, all coming together, the infrastructure. Again, we've got two great guests. We've got Google Cloud and Broadcom here. We've got Jason Rolleston, vice president, general manager, enterprise security group with Broadcom. Jason, great to see you again back in theCUBE.
Jason Rolleston
>> Yeah. No, thrilled to be here. What a week, man. What a week.>> Robert Sadowski, director of product marketing in the security group at Google Cloud. Great to see you. Google Next was a great event. Congratulations. Just continue the train.>> We just keep rolling on. The adversaries don't stop, neither we.>> We love covering both of you guys with theCUBE over the years. I mean, I think Broadcom, we've been and VMware on side of it, software side. We've covered all 15 years of our life. So been following that trajectory and just how software as it gets closer to the infrastructure becomes a super critical part of as we go into AI. At Google Cloud Next, we heard how AI native into the products is enabling a lot of value for the consumers of AI, which are the apps and the customers. But you guys announced the WAN piece, which I thought was really instrumental taking your Google leverage of what you guys do and offering that out to the customer specifically on the network security side. So congratulations, that's a big part of this relationship.>> Yeah. I think that what we try to do with our platform is take the innovations that we've built for Google where we support billions of users over products like Search and Android and other things like that. And then take those capabilities that we've built both the platform capabilities, but also security capabilities and offer them to enterprises and offer them to partners like Broadcom so they can build and innovate on top of that. And that's what we did with this, what we call our Cloud WAN announcement, where organizations can basically use the Google global network to build value add on top of that with their own services. And that's one of the things we're doing with Broadcom around their Security Service Edge solution.>> It's not like you guys just launched a network and said, "Hey, it's open to the public." I mean, it's hardened hard and it's very Google in the sense of the scale, the IP involved, and now you're bringing it to the partners and the customers. Jason on the software and the software side of the industry, you've seen the waves and this year there's a lot of talk around consolidation and again, the focus on the user side too is big. So when you look at the trends around user or the apps, what's actually happening in the software because the software gets close to the infrastructure hardware and systems, good things happen on top. We're seeing agents or whatever. What's your take?
Jason Rolleston
>> Yeah. Well look, I think clearly it's a lot. But in context of this, one of the things we talk a lot about this week is how attacks are going further and further down the market going after more and more people. This is being nation states. It's threat actors of every yoke out there. So that really means you have to be protected in all of your interactions and engagement. So web security is such a tremendous control point. So many of your users are flowing through this and having access to things. So if you can really use that as a place to identify and locate and stop things, it does so much for you. I mean, it allows you to catch a lot of stuff before it ever gets to your network, before it gets to the endpoint and the rest. And obviously you need a full stack of this stuff. So the innovation, the partnership we have with Google is tremendous. We've been working on Google Cloud for a number of years. They support our backend overall for our cloud property. And now as we think about this for evaluating and providing really a new service for our customers that allows them to have really significant data volumes and to do web security at line speed is significant, and to offer some really unique use cases around how we can route traffic and egress traffic in different places. It is just a really great partnership and some really cool innovation that's helping secure those users.>> Talk about the relationship between you guys because you brought up a couple of things there. I love the scale aspect of the data volumes, not just scale in general, that AI's expecting, AI's going to throw off more data too. So you have more data volume coming in, the network piece where traffic footprints are, that's where things happen. Talk about the relationship and how that fits in and what is the new services that are available?
Jason Rolleston
>> Yeah. Look, we've been working really closely to make this stuff work. I mean, our cloud services are powered by all these capabilities that GCP is bringing to bear. We're seeing a lot of innovation in things like AI, but we see innovation in other areas like the WAN service. That's a net new thing that we can then offer our customers and drive. So it's just connectivity and collaboration and discussing and finding those opportunities and seeing places where we can get win-wins. They're doing things that's allowing us to offer new service to customers. It's good for both of us.>> Yeah. I think for us being able to offer some of the innovative technologies that we've built internally and work with innovative organizations. How could you use this? What are some of the challenges? Where could you apply this? So you're able to build very sophisticated, very powerful services built on those technology foundations and primitives. So we talked about the Cloud WAN. Another thing that we work on is things like analytics where you have huge amounts of elastic storage, huge amounts of compute power. Now, we're adding capabilities for AI where we have GPUs and TPUs and other things like that where again, build apps and capabilities based on your expertise as a security provider using our underlying capabilities to support those.>> It's a great point.
Jason Rolleston
>> I mean, it's not just that we're building the same things we were building before. Google continues to bring new things to the market and AI is becoming a big part of the story. The capabilities we're now able to start offering customers in terms of how that can help you with the products, help you do new types of detections, new types of capabilities. It's really tremendous. And that's what you get from tight collaboration.>> You see all the acronyms, SASE, you got on-prem, COVID everyone worked at home, that changed policy configurations, unification, all that stuff. This Security Service Edge, I like the name first of all because Edge is in there, but it feels a lot like a new service that's taking advantage of the analytics, the data. And I'm assuming there's some AI in there too around, I got a plethora of data, talk about SSE.
Jason Rolleston
>> Yeah. Look, SSE is a really interesting solution and even to your point, I think what we're finding is the world is complicated. And I think anybody who tells you there's one answer to everything is probably not being complete. So what we're finding is that there's a place for everything. There's a place for on-prem, there's a place for cloud, there's a place for hybrid and all this works together. Secure Service Edge is really powerful because you're recognizing users booth. That you can't always count on them being in a network and having all those protections that it provides, you got to find that and put that wherever they are. So through the omnipresence of Google Cloud and this availability, what we get is an ability to drive services, those security services, the things you need to do your job if you're home, if you're in an office, if you're here at RSAC, you've got a chance that you can still execute and do your job, but do so safely and securely. And it's doing that wherever you are and meeting you there and making sure that also meets the need of the organization. The organization can feel that compliance. So really strong solution.
Jason Rolleston
>> Yeah. I think it's really important in being able to have consistency of services at the Edge. You talked about the different types of attacks, the need to build defense in depth. If we can build a really robust set of capabilities powered by innovation from people like Broadcom and things like that, at the edge of the network, there are more and more things there that becomes a very powerful layer, a very powerful front door that we can then support by other controls beyond that. But again, having that nice strong front door capability, really important for organizations.
Jason Rolleston
>> I mean, the collaboration is great. I mean a great example, we see a lot of big multinational companies is that, "Okay. I'm doing SSE or I'm doing this kind of thing," but then start saying, "Wait a minute, I have a support center in India and I need to get access to content that maybe is in Japan because they're supporting the whole world, but it's geofenced." So how do you actually manage that? Well, we can route the traffic and we can use the Google backend lands to do that at really high performance and meet the needs of the enterprise.>> And the latency is huge.
Jason Rolleston
>> 100%.>> I mean, that query is like you can't wait.
Jason Rolleston
>> Yeah. So we're solving really complex network problems for these companies. Not just access, but in doing it securely, and that's all collaboration.>> I brought a policy before because in the old simple days, hey, user goes home, they go to the VPN, they got policy there, but now they got the consumer phones, they got the consumer moving around. To your point, they're all over the network. And then you throw in just other things like sovereign cloud issues in country, geofencing. I mean, it's a nightmare of a complexity.
Jason Rolleston
>> It is.>> Okay. So then you back out and say, "Okay. What do you bring to the table? We can take that away." Tell me more.>> Yeah. Consistency of services is absolutely critical. When we work with organizations like Broadcom is your ability to deploy your service, like you said in India, in Australia, wherever. When you think of Google and you open up Gmail, almost anywhere in the world, it feels sharp, performant, responsive. That's the type of network and data center infrastructure that organizations are building on our platform to get that type of uniform capability.
Jason Rolleston
>> And then that allows us to offer a capability to our end customers who need that security and they need to know it's there regardless of where they are, what mode you're doing, and it should be invisible to you. You shouldn't have to know what's happening. It's flowing through your protected industry.>> Yeah. There's so many storylines. One, I love the whole software innovation story because one, net new services are enabled by new capabilities. It also brings up the whole software back to the hardware. I love that conversation because that's where the action is, innovation. Little things like memory management are being talked about. That sounds like the nineties back in the day.
Jason Rolleston
>> Everything old is new again.>> The systems are clustered, their high-performance, democratization of supercomputing, all that's good stuff. But also when you got in this idea of the users being targeted and what's coming out of RSA this year is that the users are a vector, primary vector, social engineering, phishing, you name it's all happening. We got that covered through some other perimeter base or other tools. So that's gone. I just want seamless. I want non-disruptive integration. So the question is, I'm sure you guys all agree with that, but the question is "How has the ecosystem partnerships changed?" Because now you're talking about not just having a business relationship, you're talking about engineering. Integration has to be fast, seamless, easy, non-disruptive. That is like table stakes. You guys agree?
Jason Rolleston
>> And secure. In a world of supply chain attacks, anybody along this chain can come in. So somebody coming after one place goes after somebody else, they find the weakest link, they work their way up. So absolutely, I think it just requires close collaboration. And the reality is we all know how to do this. It's just you got to do it. It takes time. It takes investment from both sides. It takes a willingness and an interest to do it. You put good people, good engineers together, they will solve these problems. It's not that hard. You just have to have commitment to it and a partner who's willing, and I think that's what we have with our friends.>> And that's where the network piece comes huge. Data, the analytics, everything comes with it.
Jason Rolleston
>> And Google network, when you're in line, you're under fire. You got to get it right. There's just no room for mistakes and such a crew of experts over there and such a quality team. So for sure.>> All right. So how does this... You want to say-
Jason Rolleston
>> No. All good.>> So how does this render itself from the customer, working backwards from the customer saying, "Okay. What's their value? Is it a net new service? Are they just buying right off the shelf?" There's no shelf, but you know what I'm saying.
Jason Rolleston
>> There are a couple of things, and I'll let Robert talk. From our side, look, what we are able to provide is a really high quality service with some interesting additional options for people to say, "Hey, I want to do something that takes advantage of the links, the WAN service that Google is offering." Like, "Well, great. We can have you either do that, we can egress out and then go across. It becomes a way for you to have more advanced and higher capability in your network." It's almost like an upsell for us, but what we fundamentally offer is just a really high quality web gateway, SSE service on the back of this highly performing cloud that then helps customers solve these additional and these different problems.>> So their pain points are not an ideal environment for the traffic side, latency, efficiency, cost?
Jason Rolleston
>> Yeah. Sometimes their links, which is where the WAN piece comes in, are just not strong enough. So having access to a different place to do it is tremendous.>> I think that a lot of it comes down to, for the end user is removing friction in any number of ways. First, if security is seen as a bump in the wire where it's not performant, where it's creating taxes on applications, it's harder for users to use, they aren't going to use it. They're going to resist it. So in really doing some of this joint engineering, in building a lot of these capabilities into the infrastructure, like you said, the combination of software plus infrastructure to make that more seamless, makes it a better user experience. And that I think is just so critical when we're building out security services is not to feel like there's friction.
Jason Rolleston
>> Yeah. And I think when you engage, you start finding all kinds of things. We're seeing use cases for gen AI and how do you protect that with which data should go into it? How do you think about prompt engineering, and checking prompts in and out and the responses and how you manage data security? You start the discussions and they just flow, and things just go off the back.>> It's magical. It's serendipity in the sense that you're having these new breakthroughs, but the intention was to have that relationship to solve a problem. And then you get into it like, "Wow. I could do more."
Jason Rolleston
>> Absolutely.>> Value gets kicked in. It's like magical.
Jason Rolleston
>> Yeah.
Jason Rolleston
>> I think when you get smart folks together, smart engineers together with really interesting ideas, it's often surprising and really fulfilling what comes out of it.
Jason Rolleston
>> And I love it. I've always loved security for the mission element. And I think it's especially true when you get people who really care about security again, they will find it. They'll be, "Wow. We could do that." And what could that, "Man, that's going to solve this and this is so great." And you->> You just talk to a red team. They love to break stuff. Blue team, I'll break it. Red team, break it. And this brings up the whole idea that, okay, with the new model, there's obvious markers of not working. One is a breach in security, so assume that the mission's achieved. There's a lot of other signs. The email didn't get through. People can relate to things like that. Yeah, blocked-
Jason Rolleston
>> Website's slow.>> You get that file. Apps not slow. I lost it. I can't log in. So these are things. This is where people are looking at, that seamless angle. Can you guys share how this is enabling that performance? What does it take to do it? Is it just a throw a switch, it's on? Take me through the day in the life and what does old way look like and what does the new way look like? The new way of being SSE and all the benefits?
Jason Rolleston
>> Yeah. Look, I mean I think we're trying to make it as easy as we possibly can to turn on web security and put those security protections in place. And if it gets to go all the way to things like web isolation to fully isolate you so you're not even accessing the site and we're rendering the site back, this is a whole set of capabilities we have. They're built to be attached onto the Google offerings in a super simple way that is not quite flick of a switch, but pretty darn close.>> Yeah. Simplify it.
Jason Rolleston
>> It's close. And I know they're doing the same thing. They want this service, the WAN and service to be really easy to access.>> Absolutely. Again, I think it goes back to that simplicity and transparency. It was interesting. We saw that story this week about the power outage in Europe, and people are like, "Was that a cyber attack?" It's like people think that somehow security is unreliable. We have to drive that notion out that you can have security almost be invisible. You get that protection, you get that confidence that you're protected when you're operating in these environments, and that enables the business to do a lot of interesting things.>> Also, sometimes things just break. That was not a security attack. Actually, the brittle nature of the web app architecture, we had-
Jason Rolleston
>> Somebody flipped the wrong switch I think.>> This is the analytics piece though. This is the point. If you design it to be protected, but it's actually vulnerable from an integrity standpoint, it just breaks. That's not an attack. It's just-
Jason Rolleston
>> Well, look, I think the stuff, it is as you said in the beginning, this all comes down to having tried and true technology on all fronts, really solid execution. Look, our whole tagline this week is legends never die. I mean, Blue Coat is a product, it was invented in like '98, the company started back then. We've been working on this product for over 25 years. It's solid. It works. It works really darn well. Symantec, same timeframe, BidNav, Carbon Black, Bond to on the DLP side, just legendary brands that have been around forever. This technology really works. Just like Google, they've been building this for a long time.>> I love the legends never die. But also, legends also do legendary things all the time too.>> Yeah. There's a reason why they're legends. There's a reason why these are part of built into the infrastructure because they work, they've proven themselves. And as some of those products become a little bit more modern, they're delivered in different ways, we don't want to lose any of the capability or any of the trust in those. And I think that that's again, part of what we think about-
Jason Rolleston
>> You guys both get a t-shirt by the way. Come by the booth. We got you. We'll hook you up.>> Let's do that. We actually have a series with Google's marketplace leader, Stephen Orban called the Marvel Series. A little bit legendary on its own way. It's the best of the best. I have to have you guys on for sure. I want to get to a little bit more of the outcome of the partnerships because I think this is a modern example of partnerships that are integrated. They're engineered. There's business value. You bring in the network to the table, it can see all that value instantly. No problem. That's not a hard thing to see. What I want to know is on the Broadcom side, your job is to optimize the software on behalf of the customer. Google's bringing in some goodness. Check, you got that. What's changed on your side? It allows you to focus and get more creative, more product oriented. Is there AI native? We heard that at Next. What does it allow you guys to do on Broadcom's software side?
Jason Rolleston
>> I mean, we're just giving more options. When you have capabilities coming online like this, all of a sudden you have this problem, a customer might have come to you and said, "Hey, I'm having an issue with this or latency or I can't do this at speed." And all of a sudden Google shows up and says, "Well, how about this? Great. Boom, we can do that. We've got that now." We're looking at new AI capabilities, but for detection, but also for policy for all these cases. And wait a minute, we've got this partner who has this tremendous amount of AI capability online ready, some of it powered by Broadcom and its own. So we can tap into that and that becomes another way for us to offer advanced services. So it's just like what it used to be when you had code libraries and SDKs. What we have now is this super powerful set of SDKs and they keep making them bigger and they keep making them better. And the functions are new and they solve problems. They help us solve problems for our customers in new ways. And it's->> The cliche in the security industry, it's a team sport. And to have teamwork, you need trust, and you trust that your partner and teammate will get their job done. They're in charge of something, they do it well, and they do it better. They become legendary and legend constantly. And that's what you guys just take care of your business and they're enabled. You check the box and you can focus on the task at hand.
Jason Rolleston
>> But it's not that simple. I mean, our partnership is deep as a company. I mean, we do a lot of work with them on the semi side, on the software side, on the security side. We are really tight with Google and in a very big way. So that trust is implicit in everything we do, all the way up to the highest levels in the companies. So it's a really great partnership across all of that.>> And you build that trust over time and you build that trust through success. And I think we've had a number of, as you've brought more services, more capabilities, re-platform some of the products, it's all gone great. It's allowed you to serve other customers to focus more on building the product side and not the underlying infrastructure side.
Jason Rolleston
>> 100%. We're most of the way through bringing Carbon Black into GCP. It's not where we started, but we've done that because that's where the rest of the Symantec portfolio is to do the integration we have. And it's been a great experience.>> I think you guys are a case study in the modern ecosystem. Remember the old days, "Hey. We're connected. We've got an API. We're good."
Jason Rolleston
>> And nothing wrong with that.>> No.>> No. There's nothing wrong with that. But now you're talking about deep relationships and as you get better over time, this engineering, and what does it take to do that? I mean, can you guys just share some scope, the magnitude of what it takes to have this kind of successful partnership?
Jason Rolleston
>> Matt, you said it. You have to have a groundwork of trust. You have to have a really solid relationship and a belief that there's a mutual benefit and mutual value. And in this case, I think it's very clear. We get value. Google gets value. The customers get value. I mean, there's just no reason not to invest more in the partnership. Everything pushes us in the same way. You add that on top of what is a really strong relationship across the entire company, and it's simple. I hate to say it that way, but it's like the condition set itself up pretty simple.>> You just got to do the work and do good work.>> And I think it's that foundation of trust, but it's also understanding that we're solving some of the same types of problems. We are a security-focused organization. Broadcom is a very security-focused organization. It's like having people like-minded who understand the customer problems, who understand some of the things where we can really put our heads together. So it's more of a one plus one equals three type of thing. That's also critically important in building these things out.
Jason Rolleston
>> I mean when you get the right partner, it's easy. I mean, hate to say, it's just easy. If you're working that hard, it's that painful. It's like something's wrong.>> In business everyone talking about ROI and relationships and we'll see ROI and say ROI, is the juice worth the squeeze? We're living in an era, and I wrote a post on this couple of years ago, that's competitive strategy, the new lock-in is scale. There's no lock-in anymore because everything's open source. But if you create a high-functioning, scalable product, I mean the switching costs become an advantage if you do the work. It's not like I lock the customer in. It works better.
Jason Rolleston
>> But I think it's scale and I think it's trust. It's back to what you said at the beginning too. You have a service. It works. It protects you. It's secure. It's invisible. It's seamless, and it just goes, why do you swap? Why do you take that risk? Why would you do it? It's just not worth it. And that's true. The different infrastructure->> They don't want liability. They want-
Jason Rolleston
>> Exactly. Don't->> Across the board.
Jason Rolleston
>> The biggest reason that organizations switch is that they have some disruption. They have something that impacts their business. And that when you have proven products, when you have proven infrastructure, you don't have that motivation and you can avoid that risk. Instead, you can just focus on innovation driving forward.>> Yeah.>> Google, Cloud, Broadcom software. Guys, thanks for coming on. Love the conversation. We could do an hour on this.
Jason Rolleston
>> That'd go forever.>> What's security? What breaks? This is large-scale infrastructure, and you guys know the web. You guys know software security.
Jason Rolleston
>> Yeah, for sure. Some of the biggest things on the planet doing this and having great value out.>> Certainly. Thanks for coming on. I appreciate it.
Jason Rolleston
>> Absolutely. Pleasure.>> Thanks.>> Okay. I'm John Furrier here at theCUBE with Dave Vellante, Jackie McGuire, Jon Oltsik, the whole team's here. We'll be right back after this short break.
