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Harnessing AI product integrations: Boomi’s strategy for modern application development

If one looks at the generative artificial intelligence movement today, it’s all about next-gen applications and AI product integrations.Those applications are either being retrofitted, repurposed or refactored to net new applications being built in the open-source development community, according to theCUBE Research executive analyst John Furrier. There’s very robust demand from developers for gen AI, and Boomi LP is well-positioned given its installed base workflow and data access.“Boomi has the keys to the kingdom,” Furrier said. “They have the access to the jewels of all the top enterprises, and they’re in a good position to make that work

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Zeev Avidan | OpenLegacy

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>> Welcome back everyone to Boomi World. I'm John Furrier, host of theCUBE. We got Savannah Peterson out on the ground on the show floor, getting all the action from the partners and the players here at Boomi World who are making AI integration happen. Savannah, over to you.

>> Good evening, and thank you so much for that intro, John. We're here at Boomi World's in Denver, Colorado. My name is Savannah Peterson here acting as our roving reporter at the opening reception tonight. As you can tell, it is just buzzing. Behind us there are hundreds, if not thousands of people enjoying fabulous snacks, delicious food and beverages and all varieties. But I'm here with a fabulous guest from OpenLegacy, Zeb. Thank you so much for being here with me.

Zeb Ahmed

>> Thank you for having me.

>> This is great. We were just talking about how excited you are to be at the show, and curious people aren't familiar. Did you tell us about OpenLegacy?

Zeb Ahmed

>> Sure, absolutely. So OpenLegacy is a company, is a platform for legacy integration. So specifically we deal with very complex legacy systems. And what we do together with Boomi is we basically make Boomi available for all kinds of legacy system like Rate, Frames, S400s, older on-prem systems. So we are kind of the last mile of integration to those types of applications.

>> And you've been doing this for a while?

Zeb Ahmed

>> Oh yeah. For well over a decade.

>> And so you've seen a couple different hype trends go through, different technology trends come through. Is AI similar, different? How is it affecting core system integration, legacy integration?

Zeb Ahmed

>> Yeah, I'm sure you'll be shocked that everybody now talking about AI.

>> Haven't heard it at all.

Zeb Ahmed

>> Exactly, in this space. But definitely AI we're seeing as bringing a lot of impact. And what we're seeing is three main trends or three main phases of AI. Some of is already happening, some of it is coming. But the first one is just a productivity phase. That's where we are now. I think a lot of people are doing that right now to a great success, but basically enabling developers to be more productive. So these are all kinds of features around automation, around doing things in a smart way, way that's more automated than it used to be. Definitely making developers do things faster, cheaper, but that's just kind of the first layer, exciting as it is. The second layer, or the second phase of what we're seeing is what we call agency. And that is kind of the next generation of AI, which I includes agents, basically having AI in real time, actually making decisions and doing things. That's a very exciting phase.

>> Is that what you think we're embarking on now?

Zeb Ahmed

>> So we are already on the edge, on the cusp of that. There's some innovation around that, but definitely there's going to be more. Especially what we're hearing with the next generations of large language-wise. And with agency, the thing that's exciting around integration is that the AI will actually perform the integration. So instead of doing pre-built orchestrations, yeah, I will decide I need to go here or there and do those kind of things. That will require a lot of integration, a lot of APIs. So definitely I see integration as growing exponentially in the age of AI agency. But that is not even the last of it. Because there's one more phase, it's the one that we see, and that is ownership. And that is the AI actually creating the integrations. Now, of course, you need the tooling for that. And I would mention that OpenLegacy is one of those tools that enable-

>> You're allowed to mention that. I'll let you. Yeah.

Zeb Ahmed

>> You'll allow it. Okay. So the tools that allow AI to actually create the integrations. So the AI will decide, well, I need from the mainframe, I need this piece of data. I don't have an API. I'll create the API, reach into the mainframe and get the data. That is definitely something that will be possible in the future. Not so much happening now, but definitely something that we may need to work. So these are three overlapping trends that is going completely change the landscape of integration, specifically legacy integration, and make me at least very excited about the future.

>> What excites you most about that future? I know we talked about hyper-customization earlier today. I'd love to hear what gets you up in the morning outside of obvious great solutions?

Zeb Ahmed

>> For sure. So one of the challenges with Legacy specifically is that everything is unique and different. Every organization, especially large enterprises, they have their own histories and sometimes it's like especially a 40-year-old history with their IT systems. And that's a challenge. Because you want to use the latest greatest, you want to use Boomi, you want to use all the great features, but sometimes that's difficult because you need to customize. AI allows you to customize at scale. So you can reach into those very complex systems, do that at scale and really attract every bit of potential, especially when AI needs all the data. You can't just keep data hidden and locked with this old legacy system. So that's part of what makes me excited.

>> Yeah, I mean that's a great reason to be excited. I can feel your passion. Say it again. Let's talk a little bit more about the partnership with Boomi. You've been partners for a bit, correct?

Zeb Ahmed

>> Oh yeah, for sure. So we've been partnered for a bit. And again, it's kind of like a perfect partnership because where we end, they start and vice versa. We deal with those type of very customized legacy systems. And Boomi is really great at being the orchestrator and being the layer that provides the actual integration in terms of the illustration, choreography depends on how you want to call it. So that combination works very well. So if you're an organization and you already have Boomi and you're doing a lot with it, but there is a place in the organization where nobody touches that part of the forest where it's dark and nobody wants to go. You can bring OpenLegacy and all of a sudden shed new light on that part, bring it into the Boomi architecture and have the same benefits throughout your entire organization.

>> I love that analogy. Or the flashlight, the dark part of the forest too. Who hasn't been a little scared.

Zeb Ahmed

>> It's a Lion King analogy.

>> Let's sort of add like a FernGully Lion King thing going on in my head, so that's great. Oh, I love that. What's next for OpenLegacy? It's obviously an exciting time for y'all.

Zeb Ahmed

>> Oh, for sure. So we're doubling down on AI for sure.

>> Shocked.

Zeb Ahmed

>> I know you're not the only one, but definitely. And we're venturing more and more into this idea of customization at scale. Even if you have the most complex intractable problem that you don't know how to even approach, we want to go in there with our tools to basically provide you with something that fits your needs and able to do that at scale. So even if you need hundreds of different APIs, we're able to do that. We're really going forward with that. We're really betting on that being the future. And again, as you've mentioned, very excited about that.

>> Yeah, reasonably be excited. What's your advice for companies about to embark on this AI transformation, who might be rightfully nervous about some of those legacy systems and what that might mean?

Zeb Ahmed

>> So there are definitely going to be challenges, right? Regulatory challenges, data, residency challenges. So all these things are reality. What I would say is that you can embrace it now or you can embrace it later, but it'll come. So better be early than late. But definitely look at the trends along the way. Look at the people who already done it at different stages. There's going to be a lot of talk about it. There's going to be a height cycle, but then productivity will start surfacing. And I think that we're at a level where productivity does start to surface and we'll see more and more of that.

>> I think that you're absolutely right. What's your goal for the week? Anything you're really excited about?

Zeb Ahmed

>> So I'm excited to be here. I'm excited to have the conversation with all the different partners. Some really innovative solutions out there. And of course later on with customers and companies that are looking for solutions available.

>> All right, last question for you because I'm curious. You probably see a lot of different things across industries... Actually before I go there, are you seeing any trends across industries or are most people at a similar place in their transformation journey when it comes to this?

Zeb Ahmed

>> I would say that we're kind of at the stage where everybody's talking about it, few do it. But the few that actually do it, they do see some really nice benefits. And that's industry. Some industries are more, I would say, conservative than others. So for example, in financial services, you run risk most slowly because of regulatory. But even there we can see some really nice results. We saw some pretty dramatic improvements in terms of financial results from these type of projects. And you can tack that on top of things that you already did with machine learning at early stages of AI. So that we see everybody moving in that direction, somehow faster than others. But that's just the nature of it.

>> Yeah, I bet it's fascinating and there's a lot more to come to your point with people actually executing versus those conversations. Last question for you. Taking off your OpenLegacy hat, that's even possible, what gets you most excited about our AI future?

Zeb Ahmed

>> So what gets me most excited is basically the idea that adding capabilities to AI is not a matter of thinking about, I want to add this feature to that feature. It's about adding more resources and then seeing what it can do. And to me, that's very exciting because it can do things that we never thought it could do. And I can tell it from our experience with OpenLegacy, the AI features we've added. It was more successful than we thought it was able to do things we did not think it will be able to do. And that's a revelation. So working with AI is more of an exploration than actually creating it. And that's to me, again, very something to be excited about the future.

>> So much to be excited about. Zeb, thank you so much. Openlegacy typically reduces cost by 67% in the innovation cycle. Very impressive. Glad you're a partner in Boomi. You're going to help people moving into this whole new hype of tech with AI. A buzzword probably be talking to you about all week. Thank you so much for taking the time.

Zeb Ahmed

>> Thank you.

>> And I hope you have the best week. And thank all of you for tuning in, integration community, to our three days of live coverage here at Boomi World 2024 in Denver, Colorado. My name's Savannah Peterson. You're watching theCUBE, the leading source for enterprise tech news.

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>> Welcome back everyone to Boomi World. I'm John Furrier, host of theCUBE. We got Savannah Peterson out on the ground on the show floor, getting all the action from the partners and the players here at Boomi World who are making AI integration happen. Savannah, over to you.

>> Good evening, and thank you so much for that intro, John. We're here at Boomi World's in Denver, Colorado. My name is Savannah Peterson here acting as our roving reporter at the opening reception tonight. As you can tell, it is just buzzing. Behind us there are hundreds, if not thousands of people enjoying fabulous snacks, delicious food and beverages and all varieties. But I'm here with a fabulous guest from OpenLegacy, Zeb. Thank you so much for being here with me.

Zeb Ahmed

>> Thank you for having me.

>> This is great. We were just talking about how excited you are to be at the show, and curious people aren't familiar. Did you tell us about OpenLegacy?

Zeb Ahmed

>> Sure, absolutely. So OpenLegacy is a company, is a platform for legacy integration. So specifically we deal with very complex legacy systems. And what we do together with Boomi is we basically make Boomi available for all kinds of legacy system like Rate, Frames, S400s, older on-prem systems. So we are kind of the last mile of integration to those types of applications.

>> And you've been doing this for a while?

Zeb Ahmed

>> Oh yeah. For well over a decade.

>> And so you've seen a couple different hype trends go through, different technology trends come through. Is AI similar, different? How is it affecting core system integration, legacy integration?

Zeb Ahmed

>> Yeah, I'm sure you'll be shocked that everybody now talking about AI.

>> Haven't heard it at all.

Zeb Ahmed

>> Exactly, in this space. But definitely AI we're seeing as bringing a lot of impact. And what we're seeing is three main trends or three main phases of AI. Some of is already happening, some of it is coming. But the first one is just a productivity phase. That's where we are now. I think a lot of people are doing that right now to a great success, but basically enabling developers to be more productive. So these are all kinds of features around automation, around doing things in a smart way, way that's more automated than it used to be. Definitely making developers do things faster, cheaper, but that's just kind of the first layer, exciting as it is. The second layer, or the second phase of what we're seeing is what we call agency. And that is kind of the next generation of AI, which I includes agents, basically having AI in real time, actually making decisions and doing things. That's a very exciting phase.

>> Is that what you think we're embarking on now?

Zeb Ahmed

>> So we are already on the edge, on the cusp of that. There's some innovation around that, but definitely there's going to be more. Especially what we're hearing with the next generations of large language-wise. And with agency, the thing that's exciting around integration is that the AI will actually perform the integration. So instead of doing pre-built orchestrations, yeah, I will decide I need to go here or there and do those kind of things. That will require a lot of integration, a lot of APIs. So definitely I see integration as growing exponentially in the age of AI agency. But that is not even the last of it. Because there's one more phase, it's the one that we see, and that is ownership. And that is the AI actually creating the integrations. Now, of course, you need the tooling for that. And I would mention that OpenLegacy is one of those tools that enable-

>> You're allowed to mention that. I'll let you. Yeah.

Zeb Ahmed

>> You'll allow it. Okay. So the tools that allow AI to actually create the integrations. So the AI will decide, well, I need from the mainframe, I need this piece of data. I don't have an API. I'll create the API, reach into the mainframe and get the data. That is definitely something that will be possible in the future. Not so much happening now, but definitely something that we may need to work. So these are three overlapping trends that is going completely change the landscape of integration, specifically legacy integration, and make me at least very excited about the future.

>> What excites you most about that future? I know we talked about hyper-customization earlier today. I'd love to hear what gets you up in the morning outside of obvious great solutions?

Zeb Ahmed

>> For sure. So one of the challenges with Legacy specifically is that everything is unique and different. Every organization, especially large enterprises, they have their own histories and sometimes it's like especially a 40-year-old history with their IT systems. And that's a challenge. Because you want to use the latest greatest, you want to use Boomi, you want to use all the great features, but sometimes that's difficult because you need to customize. AI allows you to customize at scale. So you can reach into those very complex systems, do that at scale and really attract every bit of potential, especially when AI needs all the data. You can't just keep data hidden and locked with this old legacy system. So that's part of what makes me excited.

>> Yeah, I mean that's a great reason to be excited. I can feel your passion. Say it again. Let's talk a little bit more about the partnership with Boomi. You've been partners for a bit, correct?

Zeb Ahmed

>> Oh yeah, for sure. So we've been partnered for a bit. And again, it's kind of like a perfect partnership because where we end, they start and vice versa. We deal with those type of very customized legacy systems. And Boomi is really great at being the orchestrator and being the layer that provides the actual integration in terms of the illustration, choreography depends on how you want to call it. So that combination works very well. So if you're an organization and you already have Boomi and you're doing a lot with it, but there is a place in the organization where nobody touches that part of the forest where it's dark and nobody wants to go. You can bring OpenLegacy and all of a sudden shed new light on that part, bring it into the Boomi architecture and have the same benefits throughout your entire organization.

>> I love that analogy. Or the flashlight, the dark part of the forest too. Who hasn't been a little scared.

Zeb Ahmed

>> It's a Lion King analogy.

>> Let's sort of add like a FernGully Lion King thing going on in my head, so that's great. Oh, I love that. What's next for OpenLegacy? It's obviously an exciting time for y'all.

Zeb Ahmed

>> Oh, for sure. So we're doubling down on AI for sure.

>> Shocked.

Zeb Ahmed

>> I know you're not the only one, but definitely. And we're venturing more and more into this idea of customization at scale. Even if you have the most complex intractable problem that you don't know how to even approach, we want to go in there with our tools to basically provide you with something that fits your needs and able to do that at scale. So even if you need hundreds of different APIs, we're able to do that. We're really going forward with that. We're really betting on that being the future. And again, as you've mentioned, very excited about that.

>> Yeah, reasonably be excited. What's your advice for companies about to embark on this AI transformation, who might be rightfully nervous about some of those legacy systems and what that might mean?

Zeb Ahmed

>> So there are definitely going to be challenges, right? Regulatory challenges, data, residency challenges. So all these things are reality. What I would say is that you can embrace it now or you can embrace it later, but it'll come. So better be early than late. But definitely look at the trends along the way. Look at the people who already done it at different stages. There's going to be a lot of talk about it. There's going to be a height cycle, but then productivity will start surfacing. And I think that we're at a level where productivity does start to surface and we'll see more and more of that.

>> I think that you're absolutely right. What's your goal for the week? Anything you're really excited about?

Zeb Ahmed

>> So I'm excited to be here. I'm excited to have the conversation with all the different partners. Some really innovative solutions out there. And of course later on with customers and companies that are looking for solutions available.

>> All right, last question for you because I'm curious. You probably see a lot of different things across industries... Actually before I go there, are you seeing any trends across industries or are most people at a similar place in their transformation journey when it comes to this?

Zeb Ahmed

>> I would say that we're kind of at the stage where everybody's talking about it, few do it. But the few that actually do it, they do see some really nice benefits. And that's industry. Some industries are more, I would say, conservative than others. So for example, in financial services, you run risk most slowly because of regulatory. But even there we can see some really nice results. We saw some pretty dramatic improvements in terms of financial results from these type of projects. And you can tack that on top of things that you already did with machine learning at early stages of AI. So that we see everybody moving in that direction, somehow faster than others. But that's just the nature of it.

>> Yeah, I bet it's fascinating and there's a lot more to come to your point with people actually executing versus those conversations. Last question for you. Taking off your OpenLegacy hat, that's even possible, what gets you most excited about our AI future?

Zeb Ahmed

>> So what gets me most excited is basically the idea that adding capabilities to AI is not a matter of thinking about, I want to add this feature to that feature. It's about adding more resources and then seeing what it can do. And to me, that's very exciting because it can do things that we never thought it could do. And I can tell it from our experience with OpenLegacy, the AI features we've added. It was more successful than we thought it was able to do things we did not think it will be able to do. And that's a revelation. So working with AI is more of an exploration than actually creating it. And that's to me, again, very something to be excited about the future.

>> So much to be excited about. Zeb, thank you so much. Openlegacy typically reduces cost by 67% in the innovation cycle. Very impressive. Glad you're a partner in Boomi. You're going to help people moving into this whole new hype of tech with AI. A buzzword probably be talking to you about all week. Thank you so much for taking the time.

Zeb Ahmed

>> Thank you.

>> And I hope you have the best week. And thank all of you for tuning in, integration community, to our three days of live coverage here at Boomi World 2024 in Denver, Colorado. My name's Savannah Peterson. You're watching theCUBE, the leading source for enterprise tech news.